Frank Turk at the Evangel blog has "respectfully" declined to endorse the
Manhattan Declaration, ostensibly because he believes it "obscures the Gospel." But his rationale is a disgusting, bigoted, and wholly uncharitable screed against Catholic and Orthodox Christians, reflective of a toxic attitude which is, unfortunately, still prevalent among oldline evangelicals.
See: as an actual Evangelical, I think that “We act together in obedience to the one true God, the triune God of holiness and love, who has laid total claim on our lives and by that claim calls us” to proclaim and thereafter live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God does this, and requires it of us believers, because we are in His image and frankly His creatures over whom He has a place above all kings, above all other reasonable allegiances, above even our own claim to our own lives.
When we substitute the phrase “with believers in all ages and all nations to seek and defend the good of all who bear his image” for the phrase “to proclaim and thereafter live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ” we have done two things:
[1] we have obscured the necessary and central fact of the Gospel by overlooking the irreconcilable differences between “Evangelicals”, “Roman Catholics”, and “Orthodox” by calling all of these groups “believers” in a rather indiscriminate way. I’ve said it elsewhere, so it should be no surprise when I say it here that I am sure there are Catholics who are saved, and likewise for the occasional Eastern Orthodox you may run into who exercises an Evangelical (large “E” intended) understanding of Jesus and the consequences of Him; but to throw out the wide blanket and just call all of these groups “Christian” in an overly-broad sociological sense, and to call all of them “believers” in the sense required to make the rest of the reasoning in this document is much. It makes the distinction between “belief” and “unbelief” such a fuzzy line that I doubt anyone signing this document actually means what they have said here.
By obscuring that line, the Gospel is obscured — because the actual consequences of the Gospel are obscured.
[2] We have substituted the reasoning of the Gospel with the reasoning of statism. The reasoning of the Gospel is this: because Christ died for sins in accordance with Scripture, and was buried and raised on the third day in accordance with Scripture, men are called to repentance which is not just a confession of past wrong but a second birth — a new life in which we are dead to the moral law and its condemnation and raised to new life in the kind of love Christ has and showed us by dying on the cross.
The reasoning of statism is that the state defines what sort of people we will be — that if the state defines marriage, or if the state defines human rights, or if the state defines the religious liberty of the citizens, then they have it.
When you look at these two things side by side in this short form, it is clear how the latter interposes itself against the Gospel and in place of the Gospel.
Fellow
Evangel blogger
Mark Olson takes his colleague to task and pulls no punches.
This, to my ears, sounds very Pharisaic. Here we have Mr Turk standing in judgement of the whole of Catholicism and Orthodoxy and finding them wanting … except those few who secretly are “Evangelical.” Well, fortunately (apparently) for me, Mr Turk is not my judge, for I have a Judge already. It seems to me the Gospel has a few things to say about those trying to put themselves in the place of that Judge.
At its best, evangelicalism is a vibrant, positive force for the proclamation of the Gospel and the transformation of the world. At its worst, it is a parochial sect looking down its nose at fellow believers, rendering the witness of the whole Christian community impotent by its smugness. Frank Turk is a textbook example of the latter.
I've been more and more frustrated about this in recent days, James, because I signed the MD when it first came out. I saw it as a call to arms for those of us who would stand against those evils that were talked about in the Declaration. But then I saw my evangelical brothers and sisters wanted to shoot the bugler! They're not willing to stand against a common enemy if they have to stand with "those people"! Would these evangelicals have refused to fight Hitler because we were allied with the Soviets?
ReplyDeleteMaybe the MD wasn't worded as it should have been; maybe if it had been the evangelicals would have jumped on the bandwagon. I just think it's too bad they refuse to join forces with those who seek the same goal and fight the same enemy.
What makes the "Evangelical" (capital E) attitude all the more infuriating is the fact that MD is such a far superior statement to last year's "Evangelical Manifesto," which was more an exercise in public relations than a statement of convictions. Some of the drafters of the Manifesto also signed MD, which is a good thing. But the contrast between the two is quite telling. When the body of Christ comes together, it speaks a powerful word to the culture. When its disparate parts act alone, they sound a discordant note.
ReplyDeleteDear James,
ReplyDeleteI just happened to come to your blogsite and this thread today! I had no idea that saw and read those blogposts by Frank Turk and Mark Olson. If you have read through those threads, you'll find that I contended earnestly against Frank Turk.
If you don't mind, can you share with me your evaluation of my interactions with Frank Turk? Do you support my efforts by which I engaged him? Oppose them? Would have done it differently?
I tried to do my best, but my best is often not very good.
TUAD,
ReplyDeleteI think you did a pretty decent job flushing out Turk's uncharitableness although, IMHO, his original essay was uncharitable on its face. Personally, I don't enjoy arguing with such toxic persons. They are shadow-boxing against enemies that don't exist while the Real Enemy maintains a stranglehold on our culture.
Thanks James for the affirmation. I appreciate it.
ReplyDelete"Personally, I don't enjoy arguing with such toxic persons."
You're a wiser, happier man than me!
"They are shadow-boxing against enemies that don't exist while the Real Enemy maintains a stranglehold on our culture."
That's a great line! I may have to steal that from you without attribution!
BTW, I think the Real Enemy creates fictitious enemies for the shadow-boxers so as divert them from where the real battle is and to also make them feel like they're doing something important. What's tragic is when these shadow boxers are landing punches and blows and discouragement on those servants of Christ who are engaged with the Real Enemy, and when these shadow boxers then mistake the servants of Christ as being in league with the Real Enemy. The Enemy is tricky!
I think it was Phillip Schaaf who coined the "shadow boxing" phrase at the turn of the last century to refer to American Protestants who were still fighting 16th century Catholicism while Biblical Higher Criticism was inching its way into the Christian universities. Seems an appropriate term for the current situation, too.
ReplyDeletePhillip Schaaf was a wise man. What do you think of this post titled "Abortion-Trumps-The-Gospel Dodge (Next! #19)"?
ReplyDeleteIn the words of that great theologian, Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!" Frank Turk only made me sick on my stomach. This Phillips guy makes me want to puke.
ReplyDeleteWell James, does the following excerpt give you hope that evangelicalism is trending up:
ReplyDelete"As a matter of fact, Rome's denial of the gospel, together with her catalogue of extrabiblical superstitions and manmade doctrines that keep untold millions from trusting Christ alone, strike me as far grosser evils than abortion. That's not to minimize the evil of abortion; but hopefully it puts the wickedness of damning false religion in perspective." (From Phil Johnson's comment at 8:23am on 11/11/08)
Imagine that. Catholicism is a far (far!) grosser evil than abortion.
How's that strike you?
As I said before, I don't engage such toxic individuals. I must admit, though, I toyed with the idea of having a little fun with his 19 questions, like maybe answering his question about the Reformation with, "I believe the Reformation was a vital and necessary mistake."
ReplyDeleteHave you read my previous post, First they came for the Catholics?
I hadn't read it before. I just did. It's good.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I like these two comments that I've read in the blogosphere:
(1) "Here’s a serious question I’m wondering if someone else has an answer for: If salvation comes by faith alone, can Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, etc receive salvation simply by their repentance and belief in Christ’s death on their behalf and resurrection? If they believe that additional good works are also necessary, does this negate their faith?
If they misunderstand the nitty-gritty theological underpinnings of justification, does this negate their faith?
I guess what I’m getting at is, if salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, not by anything that we can do, does it not follow that there’s also nothing we can do that negates our saving faith? (Including being a part of a wayward theological tradition?)
For example, were the Judaizers in the early church truly saved? Or did they negate their salvation when they insisted that the OT ceremonial regulations were still necessary?"
(2) "I see both sides, and it is nearly impossible to force someone to go against their conscience on an issue of this much import. What I don't understand however is that we cannot cooperate with leaders who have a different message but want to promote the type of society that is in more conformity with God's laws... but ... we *can* somehow (via Romans 13) cooperate with and submit to unbelievers and power grabbers and oppressors who are neither trying to promote Godly laws nor God's gospel. This is what confuses me. It seems like a choking on gnats/swallowing camels thing.
If we can cooperate as police officers, firemen, doctors, EMT's, soldiers, seamen, marines, airmen, with unbelievers to defend this country, to save lives, why not in this limited endeavor? If someone was attacking my neighbor, unjustly taking his belongings or killing his children, and my other neighbor called me to help stop it, would I refuse to help because my neighbors are Catholic or unbelievers? Would I even bother to ask? Wouldn't this be the point at which a pharisee might say I can't help you pull your donkey out of the well on the Sabbath, lest I violate my God's command?"
I think I need to go back and find an article I wrote a few years ago about the inadequacies of evangelical Christology. It may have some pertinent points to dovetail with comment 1). Comment 2) really hits the nail on the head. What we are seeing with these capital "E" evangelicals is nothing less than the present-day equivalent of the Pharisees.
ReplyDeleteHi James,
ReplyDeleteI posted the following comment on Evangel. What do you think?
"Dear James Grant,
I also affirm what you wrote in your own blog:
“I do not have to deny the gospel in order to affirm the document, and I am a “catholic” Christian who believes we should seek common ground with others who identify themselves as Christians around the world. This document is a good way to do it. I disagree with what I would consider a sectarian view of Christianity that would require me to never agree on these issues with Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christians. I had no problem signing it. I would encourage you to to read it and sign it as well.”
Also, I’m enjoying the fact that a number of Protestants who are staunchly against the Manhattan Declaration are extolling John Granger’s article about the Twilight series titled “Mormon Vampires in the Garden of Eden.” John Granger happens to be a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
I also find it somewhat curious that while the Manhattan Declaration is primarily focused on these specific truths:
1.the sanctity of human life
2.the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife
3.the rights of conscience and religious liberty.
the conservative Protestant objection is that the Gospel is being blurred and obscured by the Manhattan Declaration,
But yet there is no objection to working with a member of the Orthodox Church, Mark Olson, on a blog titled, ironically enough, “Evangel”.
Would not the Gospel be blurred and obscured just as much, if not more, by being a co-blogger with a member of the Orthodox Church on a blog called “Evangel” than just signing your name alongside members of the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church on the Manhattan Declaration?
Suppose someone reads Mark Olson’s posts and comments on Evangel, really likes them, and then because of it, decides to become a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Could we then not claim, much like those conservative anti-MD Protestants, that the Gospel was blurred and obscured by those Evangelical co-bloggers who were blogging alongside with Mark Olson?
Wouldn’t the action of integrity for a conservative Protestant who is staunchly against the Manhattan Declaration for blurring and obscuring the Gospel to then respectfully decline to continue co-blogging with a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church on a blog named “Evangel”?
Wouldn’t that be logically consistent?"
I also think there's a logical inconsistency in that most odious anti-MD "Evangelical" Frank Turk not only co-blogging but also having his name on the masthead of a blog owned by First Things, a publication founded by Richard John Neuhaus, a Lutheran pastor turned Catholic priest, and whose current associate editor is an Orthodox Jew.
ReplyDeleteJames,
ReplyDeleteTake a look at this thread. My most recent comment:
BTW, I look forward to you making the case that you’re not a Pharasaic hypocrite. I’m sure others are as well.
“I also find it somewhat curious that while the Manhattan Declaration is primarily focused on these specific truths:
1.the sanctity of human life
2.the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife
3.the rights of conscience and religious liberty.
the conservative Protestant objection is that the Gospel is being blurred and obscured by the Manhattan Declaration,
But yet there is no objection to working with a member of the Orthodox Church, Mark Olson, on a blog titled, ironically enough, “Evangel”.
Would not the Gospel be blurred and obscured just as much, if not more, by being a co-blogger with a member of the Orthodox Church on a blog called “Evangel” than just signing your name alongside members of the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church on the Manhattan Declaration?
Suppose someone reads Mark Olson’s posts and comments on Evangel, really likes them, and then because of it, decides to become a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Could we then not claim, much like those conservative anti-MD Protestants, that the Gospel was blurred and obscured by those Evangelical co-bloggers who were blogging alongside with Mark Olson?
Wouldn’t the action of integrity for a conservative Protestant who is staunchly against the Manhattan Declaration for blurring and obscuring the Gospel to then respectfully decline to continue co-blogging with a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church on a blog named “Evangel”?
Wouldn’t that be logically consistent?”